True Forced Loneliness

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True Forced Loneliness[1] also known as TFL, is a vlogging community (and self-described movement against forced celibacy) which formed in 2008 by three old-age YouTubers:

  1. William 'Bill' Greathouse (bill1224601)
  2. Dwayne Holloway (chisma), and
  3. Steve Hoca

These three individuals worked directly with each other and had a website that described their original philosophy at After the original TFLers split ways, the TFL scene became notable for having a disproportionate share of ethnic vloggers as compared to self-described, "incels", on YouTube.


TFLers starting vlogging three years after YouTube began, in 2008.

All three original TFLers eventually split ways, and still make videos today except for Dwayne Holloway who started a campaign against William Greathouse before he left YouTube. Since then, at least 16 YouTube vloggers have self-identified and built a channel around the TFL label since 2008.


The composition of the TFL scene first centered around Steve Hoca's friends/fans and later Kent's friends/fans, and their vlogging style. Most modern TFL vloggers can be categorized as either an involuntary celibate or MGTOW vlogger in addition to being a TFL vlogger. The only differences between TFL and involuntary celibate communties are that many antecedent TFLers tend to be mostly unaware of the term "incel" or the incelosphere, lean toward a MGTOW perspective and vlogging style more often than incel people, use poorer recording techniques and advertizement, and are mostly non-white. In contrast to self-identified TFLers, self-identified incel vloggers tend to have a higher proportion of whites.

Modern TFL[edit]

RIP Baraka

Many of the younger TFLers, since the mid-2010s, have started using the terms TFL and inceldom interchangeably. TFLers that existed past the original formation of TFL include:

Original TFL[edit]

William Greathouse

Back in 2008, TFL was relatively anti-feminist. The three original TFLers were very often mocked – especially by forums, like Sherdog Off Topic forums (usually referred to OT).[2] The TFLers generally blamed society instead of the individual for their dating predicaments.

Original TFL Philosophy[edit]

TFL is the early version of what would become the anti-feminist version of incel. No ideas on are new – only the wording is new. Bill tended to be the more conspiracy theorist-related one. Dwayne tended to be the more "nice guy"-related one. Steve tended to dislike how women have more sexual choice than men. To combine the trio, you would get the victim-complex from Bill, the humanism of Dwayne, and the anti-feminism of Steve.

Video Archives[edit]

Most of the very first TFL videos from the 3 original TFLers from 2008 to 2009 have been lost forever, however a few have been reuploaded on the following channel: click here

Hawks NestArchive and You wouldn't like me when I get gutta have the most archived/mirrored TFL videos on YouTube, with the latter mostly videos of black and ethnic TFLers from the mid-2010s


Other themes of TFL included sympathizing with George Sodini, who was the 2009 Collier Township shooter,[3] shooting up a women's dance class because he couldn't get laid in 19 years or find a girlfriend in 25 years. George was an incel shooter who probably never heard of the word incel nor was there any evidence he used incel forums or watched TFL vlogs.

In one video[4] at the 24 second mark, William Greathouse said this: "there was no fucking excuse for George Sodini to have to spend his life alone." As with some posts at, there were some who sympathized with killers on YouTube. Unfortunately, now, this has turned into praising of killers by some users on less moderated incel sites.


True Forced Loneliness Website Archive: [1]

See also[edit]




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