Elliot Rodger

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Elliot Rodger
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Name: Rodger, Elliot
Birth: July 24, 1991
Death: May 23, 2014
Job: Student
Ethnicity: Biracial (British and Chinese)

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Elliot Rodger (born July 24, 1991, died May 23, 2014) was a shy, high-functioning autistic, hapa, standardcel of Chinese and British descent who hated MPUA’s, for-profit matchmakers and dating gurus because he thought they were scams. He was never an active member of any self-identified incel community that existed at the time.

His father (Peter Rodger, a small time director) was a white British national and his mother (Ong Li Chin) was a Malaysian national of Chinese descent. He lived with his father and his Moroccan step-mother after his parent’s divorce. In the time leading up to his rampage, he wrote the lengthy manifesto/autobiography, My Twisted World, and distributed it prior to the incident.

Elliot’s lack of female attention (partially ascribed to his shyness), sexual frustration, and fury at perceived mistreatment he claims to have suffered and what he saw as the injustices of society drove him to do the tragic 2014 Isla Vista massacre.

Online Activity[edit]

Elliot was an unhappy member of PUAhate, which was not a self-identified incel forum.

Due to the forum’s focus on anti-pickup-artistry, it did have a lot of sexually frustrated men. Elliot described it as “a forum full of men who are starved of sex, just like me”.[1] However, Elliot ultimately condemned the site, as his last post there (and anywhere) read: “[Puahate] is full of stupid, disgusting, mentally ill degenerates who take pleasure in putting down others”.[2]

His shooting resulted in PUAhate’s closing soon afterward, after the heated media coverage regarding the forum that ensued subsequent to the massacre. Rodger’s manifesto never mentioned the word “incel”, and out of thousands of posts across many websites, he only used the word “incel” three or so times, including to self-identify.

He seemed to have spent most of his forum time in the anti-pick-up artist culture and websites tangentially related to dating, such as bodybuilding.com.

There is no proof of him spending any time at all in the actual incel forums around at the time (such as incelsupport or love-shy.com). There are rumors he used the ForeverAlone subreddit, but these claims are unsubstantiated and likely false.

He was subscribed to the left-liberal political punditry show The Young Turks on Youtube.

Massacre[edit]

He began his massacre by visciously stabbing his three Asian male roomates (one of which he had quarelled with previously, due to the roomate’s alleged theft of his candles). Rodger’s murderous rage and hatred of his roomates was made clearly evident by the fact that in the course of their murders, he stabbed one of them a total of 94 times.[3]

Rodger had the intent of luring people to his dormitory and using it as a torture chamber, fantasizing about torturing attractive and sexually successful individuals by flaying them alive and pouring boiling water on them. He abandoned this plan due to the unexpected resistance that was put up by his roommates, who foiled his attempt at killing them stealthily, resulting in the walls and floor of the dorm being soiled with their blood. After failing in his second and primary objective of conducting a “war on women” by killing all the members of a sorority (due to being blocked by the locked front door of the sorority house), he then proceeded to drive through the streets of Isla Vista, shooting people at random, mowing down pedestrians, and engaging in several gun battles with the police, killing three more people and receiving a gunshot to the hip after engaging in a final gun battle with three sheriff’s deputies.[4] After mowing down a cyclist, he brought his murderous spree to a conclusion via a self-administered gunshot wound to the head.

The attacks were opportunistically seized upon by some members of the media, and feminists to demonize men in general, and also to attack the manosphere and incelosphere, indicting them for inciting the attack.[5] While Rodger was arguably someone who visited a small part of the manosphere, he was not part of the incelosphere, as PUAhate was not part of the incelosphere. That forum had people of every celibacy status and did not self-identify as incel anywhere.

Interests[edit]

He apparently enjoyed “swimming, hiking, reading, writing, going to the library and playing video games.” His favorite video game was World of Warcraft; Elliot stated in his manifesto that at one time: "World of Warcraft was the only thing I had left to live for." Rodger also enjoyed playing other videos games series such as Halo and Call of Duty. He apparently make an effort to improve his physical appearance prior to the massacre, engaging in calisthenics as a form of bodybuilding, and purchasing expensive designer clothing and sunglasses. In his private diary, he also mentions that he once affected an upper-class British accent (that he had as a child, and later lost) as another method of attracting women.

He seemed to have become more and more desperate in terms of the coping mechanisms he employed prior to the massacre. For example, Elliot attempted “no fap” prior to the attack, and he also attempted to use the “law of attraction” to win the lottery in a last-ditch effort to attract women through acquiring money.

He also is said to have enjoyed fantasy films and television shows. His favorite films included Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. He also enjoyed solitary walks and observing the sunset at scenic locations in Isla Vista prior to the massacre. The sheriff’s report written after the incident, also records that he made a number of internet searches that indicated a late curiosity with the NSDAP Party and its leadership, such as the German dictator Adolf Hitler, the German propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels (who he seemingly suspected of being Jewish) and the Reichsführer-SS, Heinrich Himmler.

Initial Internet Reaction[edit]

As news of the story broke, one of the first online reactions was from the so called, “mental health support”, community Social Anxiety Support which spontaneously erupted in multiple threads of sympathy for Elliot Rodger, exclusively from male users. The female users of Social Anxiety Support then started flaming the threads in disgust at the reaction.

Reflection of anti-incelism rather than a reflection of incel[edit]

Bella, a former admin of incelSupport thinks that Rodger was more a product of people’s attitudes towards incel people, rather than him being a reflection of incel people. In other words, Rodger built his persona off of people’s (highly-negative) opinion of incel people. Alek Minassian was also arguably a reflection of how people see incel people, rather than him being a reflection of something inherent about incel itself. Rebecca also tried to point out how cherrypicking violent celibates does not mean that incel is born from evil, as many (if not most) evil people have partners. According to Bella:

Rodger just fed into what everyone really wants to believe about incel people. Even in circles where the word “incel” is not known, someone who does not attract others sexually is the butt of jokes. S/he will not be taken seriously and will be considered incapable of everything else, too. […] [Incels] are not perceived as sexual beings. If they display even appropriate sexual behaviour, it makes others inexplicably uncomfortable. […] It’s worth remembering that Adolf Hitler had a partner. So did many well-known serial killers and rapists. They were not dangerous because of sexual frustration or an inability to fit-in. They were simply evil people.
Bella

Still Alive?[edit]

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Narcissistic father[edit]

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Vlogs[edit]

Rodger posted several videos about his loneliness on YouTube, with titles such as “Why Don’t Girls Like Me?”. The disturbing content of these videos led to his mother informing police of her concern for his well-being, and they subsequently paid him a visit prior to the massacre. The deputies who visited him later described him as “shy, timid and polite”, and after the visit, they left him alone, as they had no legal reason to detain him. In his final video, he promised, “On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house at UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see inside there” and then “take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there.”[6] The videos were taken down by YouTube as violations of their policy against violent threats; then undeleted; and then deleted again in 2018, after the Toronto van attack.[7]

Elliot and the alt-right[edit]

White-nationalists seemed to always have a thing for Elliot Rodger. 4chan’s /pol/ board, which was always known for tradcon and white-nationalist leanings, routinely praised Elliot. Part of this might be because of Elliot’s repeated condemnation of female promiscuity, a typical tradcon obsession. Those on 4chan repeatedly quoted Elliot’s slut-shaming, and didn’t really care or pay attention to any of his more liberal ideals.

Elliot clearly believed that whites are superior to blacks, as demonstrated by this quote from his manifesto:

How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more.
—Elliot Rodger[8]

Authorities also found that Elliot had been fascinated with national-socialist Germany, when reviewing his Google searches. Elliot’s Google searches over a year and half included “If you were Adolf Hitler”, “Reincarnation of Hitler”, “Nazi anime”, “Heinrich Himmler”, “If Hitler was born today”, “has a jewis [sic] name”, and “Joseph Goebbels”.[9]

Narcissism[edit]

Elliot Rodger’s personal story is disproportionately cited by media because he exhibited narcissistic traits and an unlikable personality and this fits with their narrative. It has been claimed that Rodger’s frustrated narcissism was a significant factor in his decision to undertake his murderous rampage, with this likely being a greater factor in contributing to the massacre than his autism[10], and that frustrated narcissism was also a factor in several other mass killings, as part of a theorised “path to intended violence” model, wherein narcissists seek violent revenge for the alleged insults they suffer in contravention to their elevated self-image, a purported example of such being the terrorist attacks committed by Anders Breivik, who was also diagnosed with autism. It is also important to note, that while it has been claimed that Rodger had Asperger syndrome, he was never diagnosed with this, instead being diagnosed with PPNOS (Pervasive Developmental Disorder not Otherwise Specified), another Autism Spectrum disorder.

This, as compared to the previous incel murderer George Sodini (who Rodger mentioned in some of his online postings), who had no mental disorders and was (for most of his life) apparently pretty modest, kind, hard working, and normal.

Reactions[edit]

Elliot Rodger's online postings reveberated in online conservative circles due to Elliot disparaging female promiscuity. As promiscuity is a grave sin in conservatism, some conservative webforums (particularly fascist conservative webforums) have adopted Elliot Rodger as a hero. But not all conservatives felt that way. Some considered the worship of a mass murderer as too extreme or bad optics.

Alt-right movement reactions[edit]

Several (then nascent) alt-right figures seemingly attempted to distance their 'movement' from online fascist worship of Elliot Rodger by claiming Elliot Rodger's British father, Peter, was ethnically Jewish.[11] There is little evidence for this assertion, and it likely stems from a "Peter Rodger' being listed on a British Jewish film site.[12] Peter Rodger's father was the British photojournalist George Rodger (of predominately Scottish descent[13]), who was famous for being the first to photograph the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp by British troops in April 1945.[14] Peter Rodger's mother is the American Journalist Lois "Jinx" Rodger (née Witherspoon, an Anglo-Scottish [from the border regions of the former Kind of Strathclyde] surname[15]). There is no strong evidence Lois Rodger is of Jewish descent, with all reporting on her invariably describing her as a generic "American".[16] In 2008 Lois Rodger was interviewed by the Jewish Chronicle, which further did not mention any Jewish ancestry on behalf of her or her (then late) husband George.[17]

Pickup-artist reactions[edit]

Quotes[edit]

  • Rollo Tomassi
    • Incels, by Rollo Tomassi, June 4, 2018

      Back in the summer of 2014 I wrote two essays outlining the minds of incels. The first was The Severing and the second was Owed Sex. I wrote these essays in the wake of the Elliot Rodger shooting and the sudden emergence of the term “red pill” into the popular lexicon. Elliot had a lot of manifesto style youtube videos as well as a fairly detailed written manifesto he published online just prior to his shooting. His frustration was palpable in these videos. Here was a kid who fit the profile of an AFC, an average frustrated chump. AFC is an old school PUA term used to describe average guys who were confused by intersexual dynamics, usually as a result of their life long Blue Pill conditioning. I used to unironically use AFC to describe a guy who I’d probably refer to as a Blue Pill Beta in my work today, but in light of the most recent “Incel attack” in Toronto last month I’m wondering if AFC isn’t a better descriptor for these guys.

      I’m doing a bit of review here because I want to put the perspective on time in these incidents. Alek Minassian, the Toronto truck driving killer, another AFC, reportedly idolized Elliot Rodger. In and of itself this is probably to be expected from a self-avowed Incel, but what motivates these guys. That’s what the mainstream media wants to know, right? And literally hundreds of bloggers and social pundits seem to all have an expert knowledge about the motives of Incels. Weeks after the Toronto killings there are people I’ve never read before who are convinced that they know all about these “losers”. For the most part, the mainstream media (and I include online pundits in this category now) want “crazy”. Even the guys who are ostensibly part of the manosphere know that crazy gets eyeballs on the screen, and nothing is crazier than a “killer Incel”.

      Incels are the low hanging fruit for pretty much anyone on either side of the ideological spectrum. I can read any number of feminists wanting to link Incels to “red pill radicalization” and how they are “gender terrorists” (this is genuinely laughable considering the natures of most of these kids), to the Red Pill guys who want to carve out their own trad-con niche in the ‘sphere using Incels as a negative example to prove their version of whatever qualifies as masculinity. Lets face it, Incels are easy targets. They’re universally described as “the losers you used to know in high school who couldn’t get laid”. This makes them easy to dismiss most of the time, until one of them shoots up a university or mows down random women with a panel truck.

      —Rollo Tomassi

    • Owed Sex, by Rollo Tomassi, June 12, 2014

      In the aftermath of the Elliot Rodger’s tragedy there was one resounding go-to mantra from mainstream media, blue pill plugins and the femintariat alike... "Men are not owed sex for anything."

      —Rollo Tomassi

    • The Severing, by Rollo Tomassi, May 27, 2014
  • Chateau Heartiste
    • The Psychosis Of The Effeminate Male (Elliot Rodger), by Chateau Heartiste, May 26, 2014 - Archive[webarchive]

      Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. It’s so histrionic and maudlin that it could be as easily confused for the hallucinations of a psychopathic degenerate as the plaintive wail of a ronery NOWAG.

      —Château Heartiste

  • Roosh Valizadeh
    • No One Would Have Died If PUAHate Killer Elliot Rodger Learned Game, Return of Kings, by Roosh Valizadeh, May 25, 2014

      On Friday, May 23, Elliot Rodger killed six people because he was frustrated and angry from not being able to experience intimacy with women. He left a trail of Youtube videos, internet postings, and even a manifesto that clearly details how his sexual frustration was the principal reason for his murderous rampage.

      Six lives would have been saved if there was a societal mechanism to steer sexually frustrated males like Rodger into learning self-improvement, game, and masculinity, the very values that are taught here and on many other manosphere sites that inexplicably have been attacked, disparaged, and even sought for eradication by the American media and blogosphere, men's rights activists, “PUA haters”, and progressive organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center[ext]. All these groups are complicit for creating a cultural environment that allowed this massacre to occur. It is them who must accept responsibility for these seven deaths and make the moral change to their ideologies in order to prevent such an act from happening again.

      It’s important to state that Elliot Rodger was undoubtedly mentally unstable and required professional supervision. (...)

      —Roosh Valizadeh

MRA reactions[edit]

Media reactions[edit]

A journalist accused the director of The 40 Year-Old Virgin, Judd Apatow, of fueling Elliot Rodger's rage. She said Judd did this by portraying unsuccessful men as able to easily get into relationships in movies, leading to disappointment when 'real life' men try.

Judd responded by downplaying Rodger's attack, hinting it was primarily a result of Asperger's Syndrome rather than gender or sexuality issues. Judd said that many, if not most of the world doesn't have a close romantic partner, and so Elliot isn't some representative of billions of people.[18]

External links[edit]

See also[edit]

References

  1. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/elliot-rodger-puahate-forever-alone-reddit-forumsM/
  2. https://www.independent.com/2015/02/20/elliot-rodger-report-details-long-struggle-mental-illness/
  3. https://web.archive.org/web/20150220034256/http://www.sbsheriff.us/documents/ISLAVISTAINVESTIGATIVESUMMARY.pdf
  4. https://web.archive.org/web/20150220034256/http://www.sbsheriff.us/documents/ISLAVISTAINVESTIGATIVESUMMARY.pdf
  5. https://nypost.com/2014/05/26/killers-links-to-the-mens-rights-activist-movement/
  6. Transcript of the disturbing video “Elliot Rodger’s Retribution”
  7. Elliot Rodger’s Youtube channel has been deleted after the latest incel terrorist. How do hapas feel about this?, r/hapas
  8. http://seattlemedium.com/white-woman-snubbed-charleston-shooter-for-a-black-man/
  9. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-isla-vista-elliot-rodger-search-history-nazis-20150219-htmlstory.html
  10. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178916301744M
  11. https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/961419526331076608?lang=en
  12. https://ukjewishfilm.org/people/peter-rodger/
  13. https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/iconic-images/george-rodger-1908-1995-iconic-photographer-15402
  14. https://ejlw.eu/article/download/36907/34435/46236
  15. https://www.houseofnames.com/witherspoon-family-crest
  16. https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/14/opinion/IHT-more-to-the-picture-letters-to-the-editor.html
  17. https://www.thejc.com/news/news/images-a-war-photographer-could-not-bear-to-look-at-1.6145
  18. https://nypost.com/2014/05/27/rogen-apatow-slam-critic-who-blamed-them-for-elliot-rodger-rampage/

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